Trachelospermum jasminoides

19 years ago

As regulars here may remember I have had a Jasminum x stephanense growing in an 18" pot on my southwest facing house wall for three years now. It has twined well up some trellis (9 ft tall) but has never flowered properly ... very sparse.

The replies I got to that post indicated that I was definitely not alone in having flowering problems with this plant.

I have now come to the point when it has got to go. Actually I'll give it away to someone with a big garden to see if they have more luck in different conditions.

As a replacement I have bought a Trachelospermum jasminoides, which on the label says it is "suitable for growing in a container for 3-4 years". Presumably it get's too big after that???? I plan to use JI No 3 mixed with some Gem organic compost.

Any tips or hints would be useful.

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shrubs_n_bulbs
19 years ago
Trachelospermum jasminoides gets huge, but people in the med seem to treat them as potted patio plants without any problems. My experience is that they grow better (maybe you don't want it to grow!) and flower better with more room for the roots. Maybe add some grit or perlite to your soil mix to help with drainage.
Goldcroft
Original Author
19 years ago
Thanks shrubs etc. The nurseryman suggested adding something to aid drainage. I could use some perlite, but would coarse horticultural sand be OK? The pot must be at least 10 gallons. And I was advised to keep ferts to the minimum - every two months in the summer was one suggestion!
Certainly not too much nitrogen, but I do have a flowering fertilizer with virtually no N in it.
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garden_nerd
19 years ago
Has anyone also had negative experiences with J. beesianum? Rampant, insignificant pink flowers, no scent, and yet quoted by Mr S. Buczacki as a top desirable climber in one of his books. I would take it out, but it's under the greenhouse!
Goldcroft
Original Author
19 years ago
Why don't you start a thread on your J. beesianum, Garden Nerd as others might not spot it in a thread entitled with another plant's name.
louholla
18 years ago
Hi Goldcroft, I bought 3 large Trachelospermum Jasminoides in January (to use as a screening at the back of my garden) and i bought them from a lovely new garden centre that opened locally to were i live. The guy at the garden centre recommended i put them in terracotta pots smaller then i would of choose myself and he also said to put grit in the bottom and then fill with John innes no 3 which i did, 2 months later they started wilting and leaves were falling off everywhere. I went back to the garden centre and the guy said i hadnt watered them enough! So I started watering them every other day since then (early march) and the leaves are almost all gone and im so disappointed especially as in total the 3 cost us Â£150. So i would say put them in big pots, It looks like im going to have to buy some more pots now.
shrubs_n_bulbs
18 years ago
I would say you overwatered. They don't need much water in winter and even in summer they don't want to be in wet soil. But all is not lost. Check the roots and repot if there seems to be anything left. Watch for signs of growth in the next month or two.

P.S. A "lovely" garden centre would replace any plant that dies within a few months, certainly an expensive one like this. Some promise to replace hardy plants for up to several years. I suspect such guarantees are rarely invoked (how long do you keep the receipts?) but the option is always there.
louholla
18 years ago
Thanx Shrubs n Bulbs, I think I will do that (Check the roots) and if they have had it, I will go back to the garden centre. It was very strange though in the first couple of months I hardly watered them because it was raining alot but when I noticed they were droopy the soil was dry and hard, my neighbour said its because they are terracotta pots and they soak up more water then glazed pots do!
Goldcroft
Original Author
18 years ago
Sorry to hear of your disaster Louholla. My 18" tall plant cost about Â£11 and that at a rather expensive garden centre. It has not grown very much yet. I suppose the plant is expanding its root system and will then take off. Hope so. Mine is in a plastic pot. Only watered once when first planted. We have had sufficient rain mixed with some very warm spells down in the south.
louholla
18 years ago
Good news!!! I think i saved em. There is now lots of new growth. Some im very pleased.

Tina
Goldcroft
Original Author
18 years ago
Good news indeed Louholla, especially at Â£50 a plant. Mine is still only making minor progress. As I said before, hopefully developing its root system.

Some plants do take a while to get going. I have a chocolate vine (forget Latin name) that I was going to throw out as after 3 years it was not growing, let alone flowering. This year it has flowered. May be it heard my threat!
louholla
18 years ago
Ha ha yeah Goldcroft sounds like it did.

Erm.. the total cost was Â£150 which included the 3 plants, 3 pots, 1 bag of compost and 1 bag of grit. Each plant was 7ft tall.

Funny you should say yours is slow to progress, i emailed one of the experts on the crocus site and she said that they are slow to show signs of illness or stress which is why mine took so long to start dropping leaves after i planted it and again to recover.

Tina
miranda_uk
18 years ago
I moved and re-arranged our T. jasminoides about a month ago and managed to snap some stems. Hadn't realised how brittle they are.

I've potted them up and have them in a propagator so, hopefully, some will root and we'll have a new plant. Anyone had experience with cuttings?
Goldcroft
Original Author
18 years ago
I didn't know this plant was in the crocus family. Seems a completely different plant.

Mine is now putting out some more shoots from the base.

Best of luck with your cuttings Miranda.
shrubs_n_bulbs
18 years ago
Not related to Crocus the bulb.

This may clarify ...

Here is a link that might be useful: Crocus
Goldcroft
Original Author
18 years ago
That explains it. I don't have, or wish to have, a lot of technical knowledge, but thought I was going round the bend for a moment! Thanks.
sara_uk
17 years ago
I inherited 2 trachelospermum jasminoides when I bought my house last year. They were fine up until 2 months ago, when their leaves started turning red. I watered the plants before going on holiday for 2 weeks and have returned to find one of them waterlogged and with dry leaves. I drained the water but the leaves have continued to wilt and dry. The leaves are drying out at the tips first and then moving towards the base of the plant.

Repotting is basically impossible as the plants are in huge containers and completely embedded in the supporting trellis.
Goldcroft
Original Author
17 years ago
Sorry to hear about your problems, but as others have said, the plant does not like overwatering and needs to be in compost with good drainage, such as perlite or gravel. JI No 3 contains a good bit of pro drainage material, but I added some more.

It does sound like your pots do not have adequate drainage, if, two weeks after watering, they were still waterlogged. Does water run out of the bottom holes pretty soon after watering?

Just a thought, but I made some holes carefully with a rake handle, right down to the bottom. You could try this and fill up the holes with grit.
Goldcroft
Original Author
17 years ago
I should have said Sara that all the measures I suggest will not work if the container does not have suitable drainage holes. Can you get your fingers under the container to check for holes? What is it made of? How deep is it? You just might be able to cut some holes down through the soil with a sharp implement.
sara_uk
17 years ago
Thanks for the suggestions, Goldcroft. I don't think the container has holes underneath but it is about 2ft tall and I believe it is made of metal. To drain the container when I found it waterlogged I had to shovel the excess water out from the top, remove some soil, add fresh compost, let it absorb water and then take it out again. It took a while, but seemed to work in terms of drying out the soil. There has been no improvement in the leaves, however, since I did this (a week ago).
shrubs_n_bulbs
17 years ago
Hard to imagine the plant has grown for this long without drainage holes. Maybe they have become plugged. If it isn't possible to raise the container to check underneath, is it possible to drill more holes in the side near the base?
sara_uk
17 years ago
I have managed to shift the pot and unblocked the drainage holes, releasing quite a lot of stagnant water. Hopefully it's not too late and the plant will resurrect itself! Thanks for your help.
shrubs_n_bulbs
17 years ago
Not good. If the plant has effectively been under water for two weeks (more?) I think it will be dead. You never know though, they are surprisingly tough.
sara_uk
17 years ago
Unfortunately my plant still isn't looking very healthy. All the leaves apart from the ones at the bottom have dried out completely. Do you know if I should trim back all the branches? Or should I just remove the dried leaves?
kentlady
14 years ago
I have had this plant for around 7 years, in the ground against the house wall facing SE. It flowers well each year and I only water it in very hot weather then not often. It is vigorous and in need of cutting back but I can't find any info and would hate to kill it off. Any advice?
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13 years ago
I`m new to this site, but I love any form of variegated plant, my garden is all forms of varigated plants, and I had a beautiful specimen of the above. But in the gales of last winter my fence and trellis were flattend, and my gorgeous plant was uprooted and destroyed. Can anyone please help me to find a supplier to replace this magical plant?

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Can I move a 3 year old Trachelospermum jasminoides, and if so at what time of year?
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I need to move my trachelospernum before building an extension any tips?

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