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Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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Posted by lori_londonuk zone 8-9 (My Page) on Wed, Oct 4, 06 at 10:59
| I bought a Salvia leucantha fairly recently on a visit to Great Dixter. I planted it out and am pleased to find that it's starting to come into flower. I didn't realise it was a late-flowering plant.
However, another thing I didn't realise is that it may not be hardy. Recently I've seen a couple of articles suggesting it as a conservatory plant, so I'm a bit concerned I'm just going to kill it off if I leave it in the garden. I'm in suburban London and I'm uphill, so I'm not in a frost pocket. In terms of the normal frost conditions here, I find that it kills off my nasturtiums but the flowers on my fatsia japonica never drop off (I remember someone else on here saying that the latter was a frost indicator for them). So the frosts here aren't that bad, but it's not as mild as a south coast location.
Does anyone else grow this plant? If so, you find the need to protect it in winter? I've got an unheated greenhouse and I suppose I could pot it up and put it in there, or else I could cover with fleece. |
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RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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I used to have one but don't any more. I guess it's not hardy which is why it disappeared. It is frustrating when they just come into flower and the frost gets them. I've had blackcurrant & pineapple sage, which came back for a number of years - but not this year. Also S. uliginosa, bethellii & guaranitica which also made it through a couple of winters before calling it a day. You may be lucky this winter but it's probably best to think of them as a summer annual - or take cuttings every year. I did that for a while but then got complacent. The only sages I've got at the mo are S. canariense and that orange one that smells of burning rubber. And the edible one, that's hardy and is as pretty as any of them. If you were really keen you could overwinter it under a few layers of fleece or mulch - though that would kill the top growth. I don't fancy its chances if you dig it up and pot it right at the beginning of winter. They're quite awkward to manage, really. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| There's a sage that smells of burning rubber? I think I'll give that a miss! Oh well, I probably wouldn't have bought the leucantha if I had realised it was going to be a bit too tender. I'll probably take my chances with it and cover it at night when it starts getting frosty, though that may not be enough. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Yes, it's S. confertiflora, smells most peculiar. But then, that's sages for you. It's flowering right now, looks good actually. I fell in love with S. leucantha at first sight, pretty, furry, silvery, lilac thing that it is, but it was a short-lived romance! |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| I sniffed an orange-flowered sage in Kew Gardens today and yes, the smell definitely had a hint of burning rubber about it! The species name began with c so I should imagine it's the same one you mentioned. They also had a big clump of S. leucantha which looked lovely, and I'll bet they manage to overwinter it, but I suspect mine is doomed! |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Well, Christo Lloyd wrote in his own book on perennials that Salvia leucantha is "definitely tender", so there you have your answer. He also stated that it was the species of Salvia "for which I drool most heavily". He added that "it only gets going as the first frosts are about to nip it". That said, I have several Salvias in my garden that are still flowering now (or rather reblooming, having been assiduously dead-headed after their first flowering in early summer). They include the widely grown Salvia sylvestris "May Night" and "East Friesland", which I know are supposed to be hardy. I cannot say so from personal experience, as this is only my second summer in this garden (although they did survive a long, cold, dry winter as baby plants). In my old garden I kept Salvia verticillata "Purple Rain" coming back for the best part of a decade before I left. I am concerned about garden nerd's loss of Salvia uliginosa, as I bought some plants this summer which have been growing and flowering in a large pot, ready for planting out as soon as they finish. I guess I shall have to give them a good mulch. To judge from lori londonuk's post, we garden in fairly similar conditions (I am half way up a hill in suburban north London), so we should have similar degrees of success in bringing tender plants through the winter. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Salvia leucantha is widely reported as hardy below -10C. I realise that some of you will experience temperatures below that in winter but probably not recently. Certainly I don't know the last time it was that cold in Manchester, but many years ago. Maximum hardiness probably only comes in hotter climates, on suitable (alkaline) soils, and not in drenched soil for several winter months. Salvia uglinosa (:)) shouldn't be killed by the cold anywhere in the UK. It is completely hardy in Virginia (USA) in temperatures down to below -20C. But despite being called Bog Sage, it doesn't want to sit in waterlogged clay all winter. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Re the S uliginosa - I can't swear it was cold that killed it. In my garden it could have been any number of things, dryness, waterlogging, starvation, tree roots, molluscs, overcrowding, mildew, vine weevil, accidental stabbing with a trowel, excess shade or downright criminal neglect- to name only some of the perils my plants have to face. The salvia did last a few winters before it voted with its roots. I have also realised that the S. leucantha is still there, poking its little purple furry head out from behind a dustbin. Most of the salvias only seem to get going just before the frost polishes them off, which is partly why I lost interest. The best one was pineapple sage and that died in mysterious circumstances this spring, sob. Anyone got a cutting they would swap? |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| I was really beginning to think the salvia leucantha was going to make it through the winter. I had not given it any protection and it was doing fine. Unfortunately yesterday's snowfall has left it looking quite dead with the leaves soggy and drooping. I'm leaving it in the ground (belatedly covered with fleece) but I may be just putting a funeral shroud over it! Oh well. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Be patient. You may see it shooting from the base come Spring. (Only a few more weeks to go, sigh.) |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| I'm not renowned for my patience at the best of times, but nonetheless I'll try to turn a blind eye to it, and then it might surprise me later. :) |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| I dug it up last week to make way for another plant as it was still looking like dead twig, but took the precaution of potting it up and sticking it in the greenhouse, 'just in case'. Well what do you know? I looked in there today and saw a couple of leaves shooting up from the base. Now I'm wondering where to put it... |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| Oh, ye of little faith! Take a cutting of it to keep in the greenhouse to overwinter, then you don't have to worry if your outdoor ones peg it. |
RE: Salvia leucantha -- how hardy?
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| I did say that I wasn't patient! It's amazing enough that I waited this long. Good idea about the cuttings. |
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